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by Robert Button » Mon Oct 29, 2001 9:57 am
Is anyone out there using the ADP Partscan? We in the past year have switched to ADP and are now looking into Partscan? Any hicups with the system? Anyone using the point of sale function?
- Robert Button
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by Chuck Hartle » Mon Oct 29, 2001 11:42 am
Hi Robert,
I have several dealerships that are using it and they say it is wonderful. I don't know if they are using the point of sale feature, but they are using the receipt function very successfully and love it. If you would like to email me at chartle@partsedge.com, I will supply you with the dealerships and the parts manager's names.
As much as I had a hard time trying to figure out bar coding working in the dealership environment, it apparently has some great time saving benefits!
Chuck Hartle'
I have several dealerships that are using it and they say it is wonderful. I don't know if they are using the point of sale feature, but they are using the receipt function very successfully and love it. If you would like to email me at chartle@partsedge.com, I will supply you with the dealerships and the parts manager's names.
As much as I had a hard time trying to figure out bar coding working in the dealership environment, it apparently has some great time saving benefits!
Chuck Hartle'
- Chuck Hartle
Parts Scan
by Cameron Klem » Mon Oct 29, 2001 6:27 pm
Hi Robert:
We use ADP Partscan at our GM store. We also use the full SOR function, and are very happy with both the RF receipting functions, and the cycle counting capabilities to eliminate the annual meatgrinder of a physical count. Profile? About 3000 SOR order lines a month, split wholesale and back counter. About 4000 order lines for stock.
There are no issues with audit trail info either - the same packing slip or US answerback you currently use in function RA will appear the same way, and you can use a PDC number prefix if you need to.
We are not yet using the POS function either, but are looking forward to it. The big difference is accuracy - you see savings if and only if your department is already running tight and can save time by eliminating errors. The technology is mature and reliable - it's just a decade or two late getting to our industry.
We use ADP Partscan at our GM store. We also use the full SOR function, and are very happy with both the RF receipting functions, and the cycle counting capabilities to eliminate the annual meatgrinder of a physical count. Profile? About 3000 SOR order lines a month, split wholesale and back counter. About 4000 order lines for stock.
There are no issues with audit trail info either - the same packing slip or US answerback you currently use in function RA will appear the same way, and you can use a PDC number prefix if you need to.
We are not yet using the POS function either, but are looking forward to it. The big difference is accuracy - you see savings if and only if your department is already running tight and can save time by eliminating errors. The technology is mature and reliable - it's just a decade or two late getting to our industry.
- Cameron Klem
Parts Scan
by fburrows » Tue Oct 30, 2001 6:19 pm
Robert:
I am struggling with how to not make this sound like an ad but here goes. My remarks are about bar coding in general not just our product. We (three of us) have been working on bar coding for parts departments as our main project, full time for over a year. Our product is not for sale outside the Washington DC/Baltimore area as of now. We have installed our system in 18 parts departments in our area and are installing 4 more this week. Every one of the parts managers is in love with bar coding. In every case they have reduced the time it takes to check in a stock order by at least 50%. We are finishing the bin cycle count part of the system now and it will save even more than 50% on this process. It is hard to measure the increase in accuracy, but it is huge. One of our parts managers calculated his annual savings at $22,800 plus freeing up 2300 hours for other tasks in the parts department. In addition his daily order is put away at noon instead of 5 PM.
The real challenge we have encountered marketing our product is not competition from Reynolds, ADP, UCS and others, but the fact that bar coding is not generally used in parts departments and managers think it is just another gimmick. I have been in the automobile business for a long time and the same thing happened when electronic parts catalogs came out. Everyone thought that it was just a passing fad and nothing would ever replace the paper catalogs. The same thing will happen with bar coding.
The reason lots of people are not knocking on your door trying to sell bar code systems is that it is extremely hard to engineer because of all the variables. On one side you have the different DMS and each has its own idiosyncrasies. The once you get that problem solved the differences in each car manufacturers bar codes are even worse. Some of the early systems did not work because of these variables. There is no industry standard or if there is one, no one follows it. Then we struggled with the patent process. The last challenge is to make it affordable for the average guy. When we started we had no idea that it would be this difficult or time consuming.
The bottom line is that I would encourage you to look into bar coding for your parts department. We only have one dealer in our area with ADP and he loves it. I have heard nothing negative about ADPs product. You will find that it will save you a lot of money and time. The reason you see so much of it in Wal-Marts, Home Depots etc is because the technology is so cost effective.
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Frank Burrows
Automotive Business Solutions
frank@autobusiness.org
I am struggling with how to not make this sound like an ad but here goes. My remarks are about bar coding in general not just our product. We (three of us) have been working on bar coding for parts departments as our main project, full time for over a year. Our product is not for sale outside the Washington DC/Baltimore area as of now. We have installed our system in 18 parts departments in our area and are installing 4 more this week. Every one of the parts managers is in love with bar coding. In every case they have reduced the time it takes to check in a stock order by at least 50%. We are finishing the bin cycle count part of the system now and it will save even more than 50% on this process. It is hard to measure the increase in accuracy, but it is huge. One of our parts managers calculated his annual savings at $22,800 plus freeing up 2300 hours for other tasks in the parts department. In addition his daily order is put away at noon instead of 5 PM.
The real challenge we have encountered marketing our product is not competition from Reynolds, ADP, UCS and others, but the fact that bar coding is not generally used in parts departments and managers think it is just another gimmick. I have been in the automobile business for a long time and the same thing happened when electronic parts catalogs came out. Everyone thought that it was just a passing fad and nothing would ever replace the paper catalogs. The same thing will happen with bar coding.
The reason lots of people are not knocking on your door trying to sell bar code systems is that it is extremely hard to engineer because of all the variables. On one side you have the different DMS and each has its own idiosyncrasies. The once you get that problem solved the differences in each car manufacturers bar codes are even worse. Some of the early systems did not work because of these variables. There is no industry standard or if there is one, no one follows it. Then we struggled with the patent process. The last challenge is to make it affordable for the average guy. When we started we had no idea that it would be this difficult or time consuming.
The bottom line is that I would encourage you to look into bar coding for your parts department. We only have one dealer in our area with ADP and he loves it. I have heard nothing negative about ADPs product. You will find that it will save you a lot of money and time. The reason you see so much of it in Wal-Marts, Home Depots etc is because the technology is so cost effective.
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Frank Burrows
Automotive Business Solutions
frank@autobusiness.org
- fburrows
Parts Scan
by turbo59 » Tue Oct 30, 2001 6:20 pm
partscan,
yes it is wonderful to have this tool! we started using partscan in july of 2001. if you have any questions, email me at turbo59@yahoo.com. we done our first inventory using partscan oct 20,2001. we started counting at 11:30 am while the service dept was still open...when they closed we downloaded the counts and started doing our audits. inventory will be done in about half the time. this year we only had our countermen scanning....no outside help as in previous years! i has paid for itself in time saved... customers can have their parts faster. the biggest improvement is in making bin locations....change the bin location on the fly.....
somewhere in texas
turbo59
yes it is wonderful to have this tool! we started using partscan in july of 2001. if you have any questions, email me at turbo59@yahoo.com. we done our first inventory using partscan oct 20,2001. we started counting at 11:30 am while the service dept was still open...when they closed we downloaded the counts and started doing our audits. inventory will be done in about half the time. this year we only had our countermen scanning....no outside help as in previous years! i has paid for itself in time saved... customers can have their parts faster. the biggest improvement is in making bin locations....change the bin location on the fly.....
somewhere in texas
turbo59
- turbo59
Parts Scan
by Cameron Klem » Tue Oct 30, 2001 7:54 pm
Robert:
One of the things I forgot to mention is the commitment you also have to make to bar code your locations - and you can have a lot of those. Partscan lets you print individual labels [Part or Bin, GM or Jobber]. Or you can ask for aisle 3, and get the whole aisle to print out in bin order. One big long roll where the numbers peel off in part number order by bin - or just the location labels - that sort of thing.
At our store when my shipper/receiver scans a special order part the SOR label prints automatically off his belt printer [looks like a big diskman] - containing part number, PO number, salespersons name, parts invoice number or SOR number, and the receive date. Note though if you are pricing product, that you need the RF setup to interface with SOR as described.
Two things - having wrong parts come back automatically ID'd to the selling guy's desk has an amazing effect. And having everything ID'd in your SOR bins by receive date and who ordered it can make getting 'the story' a whole lot easier.
Those are real world examples of some of the 'soft savings' hard to see during the demo. The other savings noted by other managers above are true too.
One of the things I forgot to mention is the commitment you also have to make to bar code your locations - and you can have a lot of those. Partscan lets you print individual labels [Part or Bin, GM or Jobber]. Or you can ask for aisle 3, and get the whole aisle to print out in bin order. One big long roll where the numbers peel off in part number order by bin - or just the location labels - that sort of thing.
At our store when my shipper/receiver scans a special order part the SOR label prints automatically off his belt printer [looks like a big diskman] - containing part number, PO number, salespersons name, parts invoice number or SOR number, and the receive date. Note though if you are pricing product, that you need the RF setup to interface with SOR as described.
Two things - having wrong parts come back automatically ID'd to the selling guy's desk has an amazing effect. And having everything ID'd in your SOR bins by receive date and who ordered it can make getting 'the story' a whole lot easier.
Those are real world examples of some of the 'soft savings' hard to see during the demo. The other savings noted by other managers above are true too.
- Cameron Klem
Parts Scan
by turbo59 » Wed Oct 31, 2001 1:09 pm
hello guys
we have the POS function at our dealer. adp said we are the only dealer in the nation using it at the moment. i only have it at our backcounter at the moment. we started using it monday oct 29,2001. the vendor we buy our plastic labels from has some better prices than adp....he also has stands for the scanners to assit in the POS procedure. i think as long as you have bell $ howell eps, POS is another step you don't need.
somewhere in texas...
turbo59
we have the POS function at our dealer. adp said we are the only dealer in the nation using it at the moment. i only have it at our backcounter at the moment. we started using it monday oct 29,2001. the vendor we buy our plastic labels from has some better prices than adp....he also has stands for the scanners to assit in the POS procedure. i think as long as you have bell $ howell eps, POS is another step you don't need.
somewhere in texas...
turbo59
- turbo59
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by jayb » Wed Nov 14, 2001 11:17 am
The previous entries on this subject make it clear that bar code use in the automotive parts department is a winner.
Bar code inventory control is 32 years old and has been the benchmark system for over 25 years in every other industry.
There are less than a handful of systems available to the automotive parts manager; host system, does receipt w/SPO identification and labeling, bin inventory, point of sale, physical inventory, employee ID, part to bin verification, and returns.
Bar code inventory control is 32 years old and has been the benchmark system for over 25 years in every other industry.
There are less than a handful of systems available to the automotive parts manager; host system, does receipt w/SPO identification and labeling, bin inventory, point of sale, physical inventory, employee ID, part to bin verification, and returns.
[This message has been edited by mbowers (edited 11-16-2001).]
- jayb
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by fburrows » Thu Nov 15, 2001 7:42 pm
jayb said GigaBytes-Dealership Solutions was the first and the solution I see the most
Jay: Welcome to the forum. It might be more honest to say My name is Jay Bain and I am the vice-president of GigaBytes . This forum is a wealth of information and I have learned a lot from the posts here. You will have a lot more creditability if you dont use the forum for a free ad. The best policy on Internet forums is to state your biases up front and learn from all the knowledgeable people who ask and answer questions here. Kevin and I enjoy having you as a competitor and I hope you will continue to be active in the discussions.
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Frank Burrows
Automotive Business Solutions
frank@autobusiness.org
Jay: Welcome to the forum. It might be more honest to say My name is Jay Bain and I am the vice-president of GigaBytes . This forum is a wealth of information and I have learned a lot from the posts here. You will have a lot more creditability if you dont use the forum for a free ad. The best policy on Internet forums is to state your biases up front and learn from all the knowledgeable people who ask and answer questions here. Kevin and I enjoy having you as a competitor and I hope you will continue to be active in the discussions.
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Frank Burrows
Automotive Business Solutions
frank@autobusiness.org
- fburrows
Parts Scan
by jayb » Wed Dec 12, 2001 11:12 am
FBurrows says this forum is a wealth of knowledge, and he is correct, as he is also correct on his straight forward information on bar coding and my position with GigaBytes.
If I offended anyone please accept my appologies. Please also accept what FBurrows has said about bar coding being faster and more cost effective as truth. The major retailers of the world would not use bar coding if it weren't cost effective, however it is most important to remember that accuracy is the 1st goal. A good bar code system can provide tracking from check-in, through the warehouse, and even as the part crosses the front or rear counter.
There is plenty of information available on how a bar code system can be effective for your parts department. Contact any of the half dozen or so vendors, but do check more than one.
Jay Bain
jbain@satx.rr.com
If I offended anyone please accept my appologies. Please also accept what FBurrows has said about bar coding being faster and more cost effective as truth. The major retailers of the world would not use bar coding if it weren't cost effective, however it is most important to remember that accuracy is the 1st goal. A good bar code system can provide tracking from check-in, through the warehouse, and even as the part crosses the front or rear counter.
There is plenty of information available on how a bar code system can be effective for your parts department. Contact any of the half dozen or so vendors, but do check more than one.
Jay Bain
jbain@satx.rr.com
- jayb
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